Project National Dex OU: Break This Core (Week 34: Mega Latias + Kartana + Victini)

oops turns out :crawdaunt: isn't ranked :(((
So instead, we turn to another hero
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Because of buzzwole's high phys def, it eats reuniclus's psyshocks pretty well, able to switch in and beat it 1v1 with leech life. It's also able to eat ttar's stone edges for breakfast and then outspeed and destroy it with cc. This spread is shamelessly stolen from ssou's set compendium, and less speed can be run if you want to eat these hits better because I don't think this really needs that much speed.

Buzzwole @ Rocky Helmet / Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 152 HP / 168 Atk / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Ice Punch
- Leech Life
- Roost

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Calcs:
0 SpA Reuniclus Psyshock vs. 152 HP / 0 Def Buzzwole: 158-188 (40.2 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (actually illegal how little this does)
168+ Atk Buzzwole Leech Life vs. 252 HP / 212+ Def Reuniclus: 258-306 (60.8 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
168+ Atk Buzzwole Close Combat vs. 132 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar-Mega: 604-712 (161.4 - 190.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Tyranitar-Mega Stone Edge vs. 152 HP / 0 Def Buzzwole: 147-174 (37.4 - 44.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after sandstorm damage
 
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Our voting has left us with a tie! We need a tiebreak vote for either Kartana or Heracross.

Congrats to Nish the Great for winning last week!

In the meantime, our next core for you all to break will be Tapu Fini + Heatran

:ss/tapu-fini: :ss/heatran:
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpD / 120 Spe
Calm Nature
- Magma Storm
- Toxic
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock


Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 12 SpA / 56 SpD / 192 Spe
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Scald
- Nature’s Madness
- Defog
]
 
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Solaros & Lunaris

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:dp/rotom-wash:
Rotom-Wash @ Waterium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 200 SpA / 56 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Pain Split

Because both Fini and Heatran lack Taunt, the only thing stopping Rotom from using both as setup fodder is Heatran’s Toxic. Otherwise, it’s free to get up to +2/+4 and rip through both targets with its STABs.
 
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i’ll vote for mega hera(kart dies to z fight)

My pokémon this week will be the usual:
Greninja (M) @ Groundium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dig
- Gunk Shot
- U-turn
- Spikes
You use z ground to kill tran and gunk to ohko fini pretty simple and effective
 
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SD Rillaboom

:ss/rillaboom:
Rillaboom @ Life Orb
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Swords Dance
- Superpower
- Knock Off

swords dance and blast through both. Gotta watch for scald burns tho.
 
:sm/latias-mega:
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Roost
- Stored Power
- Refresh

CM + Refresh Mega Tias can break through this core with relative ease, as both the Fini and Tran sets listed lack Taunt and Heatran's Toxic can no longer stop Lati's sweep. Fini can only threaten with Nature's Madness after Lati sets up (Moonblast is too weak ) and that gets easily mitigated with Roost.
 
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Gyarados @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Earthquake

This set can freely set up versus either mon and smacks fini with its Z-move.

252+ Atk Gyarados Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 444-524 (115 - 135.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Gyarados Supersonic Skystrike (160 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 372-438 (108.4 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Garchomp-Mega @ Garchompite
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Scale Shot

can freely click SD vs either mon with no worries and then ohko due to fini's terrain not allowing scald burns
 
:ss/Kyurem:
Kyurem @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Freeze-Dry
- Earth Power
- Roost

Kyurem 2HKOs Tapu Fini with Freeze-Dry and deals 86-101.5% to Heatran with Earth Power.
 
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Oculars

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Offensive Grassium heatran has an incredible matchup vs this and other cores

Breaks Everything Anyways (Heatran) @ Grassium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Solar Beam
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Basically get rocks up and the core falls apart.
252+ SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Heatran: 332-392 (86 - 101.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Heatran Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 56+ SpD Tapu Fini: 316-372 (92.1 - 108.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
 

2020 idm boomer

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Our voting has left us with a tie! We need a tiebreak vote for either Kartana or Heracross.

Congrats to Nish the Great for winning last week!

In the meantime, our next core for you all to break will be Tapu Fini + Heatran

:ss/tapu-fini: :ss/heatran:
Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 136 SpD / 120 Spe
Calm Nature
- Magma Storm
- Toxic
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock


Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 12 SpA / 56 SpD / 192 Spe
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Scald
- Nature’s Madness
- Defog
]
As I was halfway through writing my Rain sweeper Lotad analysis, I realized the Smogon forums just wasn't ready to begin a dialogue about lil baby:

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lil baby (Lotad) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Giga Drain
- Rain Dance

But while u were focused on Lil Baby, dis boi was puttin on his assault vest ...

Yea that's right we pullin up wit AV melmetal :afrostar:

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The [filthy smogon standard] set:

Melmetal @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 128 HP / 116 Atk / 252 SpD / 12 Spe
Careful Nature
- Double Iron Bash
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Thunder Punch

My accountant had to find the twos complement, carry the two once more, get haxxed by his opp on the ladder, before finally finishing crunching the numbers. They came to me and said "2020 idm boomer, this is it. This is how we break the fini-tran core."

[They said I was weak to fire?]
116 Atk Melmetal Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 408-480 (105.6 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 128 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 170-204 (38.3 - 46%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO after trapping damage

[D-did it mean to set up terrain for me?]
116 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 170-202 (49.5 - 58.8%) -- 69.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Don't make me post the Nature's Madness calc you know what it does

Thx for reading please vote for me I'm so funny
 
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Intro the Gen 1 Menace Himself.

:gs/mew:

Mew @ Electrium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Wild Charge
- Dragon Dance
- Psychic Fangs


My boy mew has a great offensive matchup versus this core. First of all, Fini acts as a setup fodder as Mew's all-round bulk gives it plentiful opportunities to setup on it, further improving it's pressure overall as a sweeper. All the while mew decimating Heatran with earthquake. It's a win win with a little desert at the end.

This set goes above and beyond. Not only does it "Break this core" (roll credits) but it leaves mew in a position to threaten the rest of the opponents team with a +1 Mew ready to wreak havoc.

- Almost straight up ohkos without even setting up
252+ Atk Mew Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 310-366 (90.3 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Mew Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 464-546 (135.2 - 159.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (464, 468, 474, 480, 484, 490, 496, 502, 506, 512, 518, 524, 528, 534, 540, 546)

- Thanks for letting me setup :]
12 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mew: 100-118 (29.3 - 34.6%) -- 7.3% chance to 3HKO
12 SpA Tapu Fini Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mew: 84-99 (24.6 - 29%) -- 99.6% chance to 4HKO

- Another one bites the dust
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 384-452 (99.4 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 568-672 (147.1 - 174%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Time to vote! Choose which person broke this core best.

:dp/rotom-wash:
Rotom-Wash @ Waterium Z
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 200 SpA / 56 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Pain Split

Because both Fini and Heatran lack Taunt, the only thing stopping Rotom from using both as setup fodder is Heatran’s Toxic. Otherwise, it’s free to get up to +2/+4 and rip through both targets with its STABs.
Reservin' Zeraora

:SS/Zeraora:
Zeraora @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Plasma Fists
- Close Combat
- Knock Off
- Volt Switch

252 Atk Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 264-312 (76.9 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Tapu Fini Nature's Madness vs. 0 HP Zeraora: 158-158 (49.8 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Zeraora Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 226-266 (58.5 - 68.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Shuca Berry Zeraora: 98-116 (30.9 - 36.5%) -- 65.5% chance to 3HKO

Zeraora owns both Tapu Fini and Heatran, with neither being able to KO it.
i’ll vote for mega hera(kart dies to z fight)

My pokémon this week will be the usual:
Greninja (M) @ Groundium Z
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dig
- Gunk Shot
- U-turn
- Spikes
You use z ground to kill tran and gunk to ohko fini pretty simple and effective
SD Rillaboom

:ss/rillaboom:
Rillaboom @ Life Orb
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Swords Dance
- Superpower
- Knock Off

swords dance and blast through both. Gotta watch for scald burns tho.
:sm/latias-mega:
Latias @ Latiasite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Calm Mind
- Roost
- Stored Power
- Refresh

CM + Refresh Mega Tias can break through this core with relative ease, as both the Fini and Tran sets listed lack Taunt and Heatran's Toxic can no longer stop Lati's sweep. Fini can only threaten with Nature's Madness after Lati sets up (Moonblast is too weak ) and that gets easily mitigated with Roost.
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Gyarados @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Bounce
- Earthquake

This set can freely set up versus either mon and smacks fini with its Z-move.

252+ Atk Gyarados Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 444-524 (115 - 135.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Gyarados Supersonic Skystrike (160 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 372-438 (108.4 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
:ss/Kyurem:
Kyurem @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Ice Beam
- Freeze-Dry
- Earth Power
- Roost

Kyurem 2HKOs Tapu Fini with Freeze-Dry and deals 86-101.5% to Heatran with Earth Power.
Intro the Gen 1 Menace Himself.

:gs/mew:

Mew @ Electrium Z
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Wild Charge
- Dragon Dance
- Psychic Fangs


My boy mew has a great offensive matchup versus this core. First of all, Fini acts as a setup fodder as Mew's all-round bulk gives it plentiful opportunities to setup on it, further improving it's pressure overall as a sweeper. All the while mew decimating Heatran with earthquake. It's a win win with a little desert at the end.

This set goes above and beyond. Not only does it "Break this core" (roll credits) but it leaves mew in a position to threaten the rest of the opponents team with a +1 Mew ready to wreak havoc.

- Almost straight up ohkos without even setting up
252+ Atk Mew Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 310-366 (90.3 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Mew Gigavolt Havoc (175 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 464-546 (135.2 - 159.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Possible damage amounts: (464, 468, 474, 480, 484, 490, 496, 502, 506, 512, 518, 524, 528, 534, 540, 546)

- Thanks for letting me setup :]
12 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mew: 100-118 (29.3 - 34.6%) -- 7.3% chance to 3HKO
12 SpA Tapu Fini Scald vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mew: 84-99 (24.6 - 29%) -- 99.6% chance to 4HKO

- Another one bites the dust
252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 384-452 (99.4 - 117%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Mew Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 568-672 (147.1 - 174%) -- guaranteed OHKO
As I was halfway through writing my Rain sweeper Lotad analysis, I realized the Smogon forums just wasn't ready to begin a dialogue about lil baby:

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lil baby (Lotad) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Giga Drain
- Rain Dance

But while u were focused on Lil Baby, dis boi was puttin on his assault vest ...

Yea that's right we pullin up wit AV melmetal :afrostar:

View attachment 396489

The [filthy smogon standard] set:

Melmetal @ Assault Vest
Ability: Iron Fist
EVs: 128 HP / 116 Atk / 252 SpD / 12 Spe
Careful Nature
- Double Iron Bash
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch
- Thunder Punch

My accountant had to find the twos complement, carry the two once more, get haxxed by his opp on the ladder, before finally finishing crunching the numbers. They came to me and said "2020 idm boomer, this is it. This is how we break the fini-tran core."

[They said I was weak to fire?]
116 Atk Melmetal Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 408-480 (105.6 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 128 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Melmetal: 170-204 (38.3 - 46%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO after trapping damage

[D-did it mean to set up terrain for me?]
116 Atk Iron Fist Melmetal Thunder Punch vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 170-202 (49.5 - 58.8%) -- 69.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Don't make me post the Nature's Madness calc you know what it does

Thx for reading please vote for me I'm so funny
Offensive Grassium heatran has an incredible matchup vs this and other cores

Breaks Everything Anyways (Heatran) @ Grassium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Magma Storm
- Solar Beam
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock

Basically get rocks up and the core falls apart.
252+ SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Heatran: 332-392 (86 - 101.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Heatran Bloom Doom (190 BP) vs. 248 HP / 56+ SpD Tapu Fini: 316-372 (92.1 - 108.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Garchomp-Mega @ Garchompite
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Scale Shot
 

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